Thursday, 13 June 2013

"Strat Style" Daion - Can I say That?

Whilst I want to keep this blog very close to the subject matter, that simply of Daion's I see for sale in Australia, from time to time I may stray slightly if it's worth talking about. This will be one of those posts.

In my first post welcome-to-daion-guitars-down-under, I mentioned that I have a real fondness for the Fender® Stratocaster®, and how to me it's basically just THE electric guitar to own. That opinion does not infer in any way that it "IS" the best electric guitar ever made, as that would be both arrogant and ludicrous to suggest, as no one guitar can meet everyone's needs or likes.

However, I would go so far to say that the basic shape of the Stratocaster® is probably the most recognisable electric guitar shape there is. I would dare say people who aren't even into guitars if asked to draw an electric guitar would end up drawing something resembling a "Strat".

There's one very good reason why the "Strat" is so recognisable, it's been around a very long time! 1954 saw the introduction of Leo Fender's masterpiece, the Stratocaster®, and it has been in production by Fender® continuously ever since. As well as Fender® making the "Strat", it has been one of the most copied guitar's by other guitar makers all over the world since the 60's.

In the 1970's the copying was so prolific that Fender and Gibson (and possibly Martin) sort action against companies making the copies, and the term "Lawsuit Guitar" was born from that whole process. That's a very abbreviated wishy-washy explanation but feel free to Google Lawsuit Guitar if you want the full story.

So we now come to the Daion connection. I believe 1978 saw the beginning Daion guitar production, and whilst they had many of their own designs, at some point they produced their own "copies" of the Stratocaster® and Telecaster®, quite faithfully reproducing a lot of the small details found on the Fender® originals, and in some cases apart from not having Fender® on the headstock, are mostly indistinguishable by casual observation.

The question is "if you could by a genuine Fender® Stratocaster®, why would you buy a copy?". Quite simply price! Fender® were making guitars in the USA, and like a lot of other consumer products, Asian factories were able to produce similar items so much cheaper due to lower production costs, wages being a major factor. This trend is reflected in todays market with Chinese manufactured items able to be produced many times cheaper than in the USA/Australia/Japan etc.

One could argue that buying a genuine USA made Fender® guitar would get you are higher quality instrument? Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately it is well documented that when CBS bought the Fender® corporation from Leo Fender, there were some quality issues, mainly related to slashing costs. The Japanese manufacturers in particular may have been able to produce the items at a cheaper price, but they were often still of high quality, some would argue that the higher end Japanese copies were actually better quality instruments than the genuine ones of the same era.

Having said all of that, I should get back on topic, that being is it ok to refer to a non genuine Fender® Stratocaster® product using the term "Strat Style", "Strat Like", Strat Shaped" etc etc etc?

One would think referring to something using any of the above terms would be pretty safe, not misleading, and a way to describe something in a way that clearly tell people what kind of instrument it is, especially if the greater descriptions clearly outlines that the instrument is NOT made by Fender®.

However, it would seem that the "copyright infringement police" do indeed keep an eye out for such things, and not just in relation to big businesses and corporations intent on making money from someone else's intellectual property.

There was a "Strat" style Daion Performer on Ebay a little while ago, quite clearly advertised as being a "Vintage DAION Strat' Copy". I don't think there is too much misleading about that?Anyway below is the original listing with clear description, and then below is a further copy of the re-listed item after the original listing was forced to be removed for "copyright infringement"!






Personally I don't think the seller could have been any clearer as to what the guitar was, clearly a Daion branded instrument made in Japan or Korea in the 70's or 80's, and what it clearly wasn't, that being a genuine Fender® Stratocaster®.

Funnily enough, one of the guitar related blogs I saw recently ( http://tightarseguitar.blogspot.com.au/ ) that featured a Daion Rockson MDL ( daion-copy-of-very-famous-guitar-that.html ) had a very funny title to the post, that being "Daion *copy of a very famous guitar that cannot be named in case Fender Australia send in the flying monkey lawyer squadron".

I laughed pretty hard when I read that title, but after seeing the Ebay listing that was pulled because of refering to the guitar as being Strat copy, the "flying monkey lawyer squadron" line took on far more seriousness in that there is some truth to it.

As I have semi-frequently used "Strat style" in my posts so far to describe what are to my eyes quite clearly "Strat" style guitars, so I wonder if I too will have the order "fly my pretties" given and have the said "flying monkey lawyer squadron" visiting my insignificant online blog!

In defense of any potential copyright issues I may be accused of perpetrating, I would like to categorically state that I do know the difference between a genuine Fender® Stratocaster® or Telecaster® and a guitar that merely resembles one, and my referring to any item as being "Strat style" or "Tele style" in no way infers that they are genuine Fender® produced instruments, and I would like to submit the following image of my two genuine Fender® guitars, my beautiful 50th Anniversary Stratocaster® and my very cool '72 Deluxe Reissue Telecaster®, as evidence that I not only know the difference, but own the genuine articles.





A Previously Sold "Metal Style" Daion Performer

Here's another Daion Performer that sold on Ebay a little while ago.

It's yet another of what I refer to as a "Metal" style guitar, mainly because of the Randy Rhoads/Jackson style headstock, Floyd Rose style bridge and the twin single coils for neck and middle position with a humbucker in the bridge position.

I'm sure you don't have to be a "metal head" to own one of these style guitars, and I'm sure that you can play other style of music on one, but for ease of description, I think "Metal" conveys the style well.

This one was described as follows:

Daion Performer Guitar

Guitar works but needs new strings, Guitar is currently strung up for left hand player

Pickup only:

It sold with a single bid for AU$100 which I would think is a bit of a bargain really.

Wednesday, 12 June 2013

Daion's on Ebay & Gumtree

There's a couple of traditional Stray style Daion's on Ebay at the moment, a black one and a white one.

The black one features a maple neck, bullet truss rod, single round string tree, 8-screw white pickguard and nicely aged pickup covers and control knobs.

Apart from these few words no real details are given about it.

Daion Performer Electric Guitar
Excellent condition, hardly used and sold with carry case.
Also will include free music books.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Daion-Electric-Guitar










The other white one is a bit of a mystery in some ways. Unlike the other Rockson MDL or Performer models, this one features a white faced headstock with the Daion logo in solid black, but not Performer nor Rockson MDL following it. It has a bullet truss rod, twin round string trees, 11-screw pickguard, maple neck and white tipped tremolo arm and 5-way switch.

It is stated in the ad as follows:

VINTAGE 1970s-1980s BONE WHITE DAION STRAT STYLE ELECTRIC GUITAR WITH HARD FLIGHT CASE INCLUDED
DAION STRAT STYLE ELECTRIC GUITAR
BONE WHITE BODY AND SCRATCH PLATE
GREAT LOW ACTION
VERY PLAYABLE NECK
VERY LITTLE FRET WEAR
ALL ELECTRONICS FUNCTION
 IN GOOD PLAYABLE CONDITION
SOME MARKS, SCRATCHES AND SMALL CHIPS TO FINISH, THAT ALL ADD TO THE PATINA AND HISTORY OF THE GUITAR
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VINTAGE-DAION-STRAT-STYLE-1970s-1980s 








Then we have another black traditional Strat style Daion Performer on Gumtree. This one has a single string tree, rosewood fretboard, black pickguard, and control knobs two single coil pickups and a humbucker in the bridge position.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/daion-strat 




Lastly we have a Left Handed Daion Performer/Rockson MDL body in black, complete with white pickguard, and wonderfully aged pickup covers and control knobs.

To be honest, the thought of this body (repainted in that lovely vintage creamy white colour) coupled with a right handed neck to make a Hendrix style reverse headstock guitar is very tempting.

It is described as follows:

Lefthanded strat body fully loaded with bridge pickups just needs a neck. Late 70s Daion MIJ Alder I think well made quality body no plywood solid timber I'll even throw in a neck plate and screws.

http://www.ebay.com.au/left_handed_strat_body 


More Daion's For Sale In The Shops

After a quick trawl of a few of the online guitar shops I look at from time to time, I found another couple of daion's for sale.

First up at the Guitar Village ( http://shop.guitarvillage.com.au/daion-vee.html ) we have a Daion Perrformer Vee. Stated as being a Korean made Rhoads copy, it's bright red and the asking price is currently AU$499.








The other one is a white Daion Performer with a Jackson style headstock, two single coils and a humbucker at the bridge, Floyd Rose style bridge and single volume and tone controls. This one is for sale at The Music Swap Shop in Melbourne ( http://www.musicswopshop.com.au/stock?man=Daion ) for an advertised AU$250.






Tuesday, 11 June 2013

My Second Daion, Another Rockson MDL

After buying my first Daion Rockson MDL in January 2013, I've been on the lookout for another one ever since. As you can see from previous posts they have been popping up, but mostly have been in other states, too expensive (relative to what I want to pay, not for their real value), or just not what I was looking for.

A few weeks ago one popped up, advertised as being a little rough around the edges, with the sound dropping in and out, but basically in ok condition. I'm not adverse to doing a little bit of work on a guitar, and if it's just a matter of a bit of soldering or other basic work I'm good to go.

So, this guitar fitted the criteria of the time perfectly. It was close by, around fifty minutes drive from my place, it was again a traditional Strat style, and at an asking price of AU$75 was in the budget, and even more so when after asking some more questions and asking if they were negotiable, said they'd take $60 for it! Needless to say a couple of days later I had it at home.

Overall it was very similar to my natural finish Rockson MDL except this one is black with a white pickguard, the neck was the same profile, and had also gotten a lovely golden yellow tint that typically comes with age, the machine heads were the same vintage style and it had the twin string trees on the headstock.

Unlike my other one, the saddles are a chromed cast type as opposed to what appear to be brass ones on my other one, and the pickguard is a vintage style 8-screw type unlike the normal 11-screw style.

After plugging it in, electrically the 5-way selector switch appears to be the culprit for the sound dropping in and out, although on closer inspection the earth wire to the spring claw has come loose, so this may also be part of the problem. In any case some further investigation will no doubt narrow down the problem.

The body has been knocked about a bit, but nothing too serious, and it definitely has that relic look about it. The rear trem route is a bit ragged around the edges, and the spring claw looks like it's been run over by a truck, but having said that all these things contribute to giving it just that little bit extra mojo!

Having said all of that, and considering the really old strings that were badly wound around the tuners, it did tune up ok and sounded not too bad. In any case this will be something I intend to fiddle with, nothing major, but a colour change is on the cards, and some minor fiddling with the pickup switching may occur as well to get a different sound from it compared to the other one.

For now here's some pics of it as purchased and a peak under the pickguard of the electronics. Are the pickups, pots and switch original, I have no idea as I've got nothing to compare it too, so if anyone has a Daion Rockson MDL I'd love to see pics of the guts to compare to mine.

As an aside, I'd read that the Daion serial number has the first two digits as the year of manufacture. The neck on this one has the number "76 90019", which would indicate a 1976 build date. However, I've also been reliably informed that Daion didn;t start making these things until 1978, so it would seem unlikely it's a 1976 model in that case. Again, anyone who may know something about the serial numbers, your info would be appreciated.





Daion Performers In The Shops

To me, there is some validity to a guitars quality, if it is being sold in a specialist guitar shop, especially if it isn't at a rock bottom price.

I came across another Daion Performer some months ago, up for sale at the The Rock In, a specialist music shop in Western Australia. http://www.therockinn.com/

This particular Performer identified as a 1985 model was a beautiful light green colour with a maple neck, single round string tree and 8-screw pickguard, supposedly a one owner instrument, and if anywhere near the asking price of $699 was achieved, goes to show that these Daion's are not a budget action bottom dwelling instrument.

Another Performer, This Time A Tele!

So far all the Rockson MDL and Performer Daion's I'd seen were Strat style guitars, but then I stumbled across a Performer for sale at a the Guitar Emporium in Melbourne that was a Fender Telecaster style guitar, in a nice bright red colour.

As far as I can see it's a pretty traditional looking Tele, maple neck with twin round string trees, ashtray bridge with three saddles, lipstick cover neck pickup and normal single coil looking bridge pickup. I'm not really a red Tele kind of guy but I could own this one none the less. 

The asking price is $350 and as of today (11th June 2013) as far as I can see it is still available.




There's also currently another Daion Performer Tele style guitar for sale on Ebay, (ending 13th Jun, 2013 22:57:26 AEST), in a bight orange colour, with a starting bid of $320.



 

Rockson MDL, Performer, and now, the SAVAGE

A few months had now gone by, and I'd been finding as much inf online as possible about these Daion guitars. As well as the Strat style, Ibanez and Flying V "copies", they also had their own range of uniquely styles instruments.

The first of these unique Daion's I saw come up locally was a Savage. I've mentioned before that I really do like the normal Strat looking guitars, no fuss, no interpretation, just true to the Leo Fender original, but these Savage's have a style of their own that I really like.

Unlike the $100-$200 Strat style Daion's, this one was packing an asking price of $800, which seeing what they go for overseas is probably not a bad price, but unfortunately at that point not in my budget. It was black in colour, with a quirky paisley pattern pick guard that when you tell someone about it, brings a grimace to the face, but for me, it kind of works.

The Savage to me is like a Fender/Gibson hybrid, more Strat in body style but with an interesting cut in the rear of the body, a Gibson style three-a-side headstock and twin humbucker style pickups, with the dual volume and tone controls and I assume three-way selector switch. The Daion name and logo was also pressed into the neck plate. It also came in the original case which is a good thing as well.

So far this is the only Savage I've seen up for sale in Australia so far, but I'm sure it's not the only one. When will the next one pop up?





It's a Performer Jim, But Not As We Know It!

Soon after learning of the Daion Performer, and then dutifully searching for more, I came across another Daion Performer, but this was not the typical Strat style like the others.

This one was in a lovely vintage cream colour, but the headstock was very much in the "Heavy Metal" style liked you'd see on a Jackson/Ibanez or simialr, the bridge was a "Floyd Rose" style unit, the bridge pickup was a Humbucker and it featured a single volume and tone control.

Not personally being into the Metal look, I wasn't interested in this guitar, but it did open my eyes to Daion making various styles, and I wondered what else might be out there waiting.








As well as the cream one, I spotted another "Metal" style Red Performer, pretty sure this one was over in Western Australia.



And then I saw it, another Performer, this time in the form of a Flying V! This thing was rough, missing parts, and again not really me, so no serious thoughts were given to attaining it, but it was interesting none the less and pointed to Daion being happy to make all manner or styles, as was common back in the late 70's era.




First the Rockson MDL, now the Performer

So far the Daion electrics I'd seen were basically Strat copies, and were called Rockson MDL's. However the next one I came across had Daion Performer on the headstock, but was otherwise another Strat style guitar.

This one also featured the 8-screw pick guard, but had a maple neck with the skunk stripe truss rod insert down the back. The machine heads were not the vintage style with the slots in them like the other two I'd seen, the bridge featured vintage style presses steel saddles and not cast ones, and it featured a single round string tree instead of the pressed wiggly style ones, and the selector switch had a cylindrical knob on it, not the normal style.

All minor detail things, but it's interesting to note these things as it may become apparent over time how these things fit into the production dates, target markets etc.

This one was missing a machine head bushing and looked a bit knocked about, and I think it was interstate so I didn't have a bid on it. Again I think it went in the low $100 range in the end.

Now I had two versions to research and find for sale, the Rockson MDL, and the Performer!